I've written in my other post that I've hallucination. Gillian has told me that it's a symptom of OCD. I also notice that the more anxious I am the worse the hallucination gets and then the more anxious I get because I don't like the things I see/feel. Sometimes, I don't actually see the actual image, it's just a feeling, but, my mind will associate it with the image.

What I want to know is, can I disassociate these hallucination from my anxiety and stress? I think feeling fearful and stuffy in the chest is enough indication that I'm feeling anxious. I mean, a feel of anxiety can be good and it might be telling u something like you are in danger etc. I don't want to every time I feel anxiety, these disturbing images I don't want to see will come along too. They will only add to my anxiety and unpleasant feeling.

 Sorry for my strange request. The main reason I breakdown emotionally is when I start seeing these images on a daily basis. I've managed to get rid of it and made it not appear has often when I've calm down or less tense. But, now that my hormone changes and my anxiety increase, it's flooding back.

 My mind sure works in a strange way. Instead of using the normal method to tell me I'm anxious, it choose to create images I don't want to see (either inpleasant images or embarrasing ones).

 Now I can't image nice stuff (so can't to the visualisation and Law of Attraction stuff), becuase the disturbing image will come along.

 Hopeful

I wsa referring to the type of obsessive thoughts you were experiencing and had described to me privately as a symptom of OCD.  These hallucinations are obviously caused by the anxiety, although so is OCD and usually trauma related at some earlier point.  I have not diagnosed you!  All these anxiety states, from OCD, DID and shizophrenia are caused by trauma, even birth trauma.  

I wonder if this fact can help just to put it into perspective.  If people drink 8 cups of very strong coffee they can hallucinate.  I suspect this is putting too much stress on the system.  Therefore hallucinations are experienced for some people, as are voices, when they are very anxious and feel unsafe.

All of the information I sent you before applies to this still.

Clients can see things or hear things, and the images or voices often belong to parts that seem to operate seperately from the rest of the subconcious mind.

When do you have your appointment with the therapist?  Again you have shared alot of information with me that is not available to others reading this so they don't have the full picture, so make sure your therapist knows about all of this.

Other people are often great at coming up with suggested statements, I will admit thats not my forte as I it never works for me using other peoples words but I can suggest a few and maybe others can come up with some helpful ideas.

'Even though parts of me feel unsafe and they choose to create images I don't want to see, I accept these parts, they are doing the best they canr but I want them to know right here, right now I am safe.

Actually when clients hear things the first part of my job is to help them understand why this.  I have never worked with someone with visual hallucinations but I think they are just another step up from the kind of pictures we all can create in our mind.  However for those of my clients who hear voices, often for a while they still hear things but they know its just a part of them which perhaps they still haven't reached yet so they don't worry about it.  They just accept its a barometer for an unsafe feeling and they learn to embody themselves, feeling their feet, tapping is a good way to do this and remind themselves of all the reasons they know that they are safe even though there body is remembering a time they feel unsafe.

Can you perhaps try some of Paul and Marians suggestions on another thread about choosing to be bored, or some other word of this anxiety symptom, perhaps choosing not to be afraid, fear breeds fear.  I know thats a challenge for you when its driving you to distraction.  When you really start to work on what is underlying this you won't need the anxiety to protect you.

'Even though I see disturbing things when I am anxious I choose to remember that there is a part of me trying to communicate something and I am open to the possibilty of accepting that part and feeling OK about this"

Working with parts can be helpful, on top of the general calming statements and statements of intention of seperating.

Remember the hallucinations are not real, remind yourself its a symptom of anxiety. 

If you feel you choose to create images, or part of you choose to create images can you ask that part what it is trying to achieve for you.  It will have a positive although misguided intention for you.  

There are some interesting books out on dissociation that might help to explain your symptoms.  In fact its usually a part thats dissociated that causes these kind of things so aiming to dissociate even further might not be helpful, instead trying to connect with the part and understanding what its purpose is can be very helpful.

There is an article on this by Maggie Adkins in EFTMastersWorldwise that I found which might be helpful for you here

http://www.eftmastersworldwide.com/articles.html

Scroll down till you find Inner Dialogues.  Also Gwyneths tapalong for anxiety is very good, it does involve visualisation but your probably going to have to find a way to break that down.

Clients do tap for what the voices say so  the words don't trigger them so much so I wonder if you can tap for what you see until it doesn't feel so bad to see it.  

I hope some of this is helpful, this is a very complex issue and I suspect self help is only going to get you so far, especially given what happened at your training course when you were for a while able to get below the surface.

Gill 

 

 

 This is disturbing because I'm seeing the images in everyone else. So, the more people I see, the more the images/feeling. This is no help at all because it made me reluctant to meet people and be around people when being surrounded by friends and family can actually help calm normal anxiety. This is also obstructing because it prevents me from using other relaxation method like imagining myself in the peaceful place etc.

 I can release stress using EFT follow some EFT video but I can't seem to get rid of the hallucination.

Gill Wightman:

Clients do tap for what the voices say so  the words don't trigger them so much so I wonder if you can tap for what you see until it doesn't feel so bad to see it. 

Hi Gill. I've tried tapping on the images, but, instead of subsiding, it actually intensified. The more I tap, the more the images and the feeling come out. So much so I have to stop and then used my conscious mind to forcefully change the images to something less disgusting. Yes, I can change the images to a certain degree, to make it less disgusting but, I can't will it away and my mind is still aware what is the original images and I have to constantly do it.

 The problem is very intruding this time.This images intrude all my past memories be it good of bad. So, I have this mamories in my mind. This scenes from old mamories, but, beside the original scene, I have this extra image added into it. Can I still use movie technique if like this? 

try these;
ET i don't feel stable, perhaps i'm not, i'm not stable and that's not at all OK, I wish I were stable, i wish i were stable, i'd like to get stable and wow! I honor how hard this has been, being unstable.

ET this is too much for me, each problem causes another, each issue prevents another solution, i'm stumbling all over myself, there's no end in sight, in fact i don't dare look anywhere any more, there's all these hobgoblins and crazy images and hallucinations crowding me out whereever i turn, i'm totally not safe, and that's where i am and that' what i do, and that's all that there is to it and that is that.

ET there's so much help available but not to me, i can't be helped and i can't be protected, these images are making sure that i stay in danger mode my whole life, i know i'm anxious, but i'd like a little relief from all of these images. they're getting a bit much!

ET i may never escape these images, they're looming up at me in all directions like ghosts in a ghost train, like spooks in a movie, like witches in a forest! YAAAH You got me, i'm really scared, I'm really scared, and now what?

ET these demons are here to protect me, but i'm really not sure quite how powerful they are, i love myself, i accept myself, it's OK to be me, and I wonder if these hallucinations might gently subside.

 

love

Rochel

Rachel G.:

try these;
ET i don't feel stable, perhaps i'm not, i'm not stable and that's not at all OK, I wish I were stable, i wish i were stable, i'd like to get stable and wow! I honor how hard this has been, being unstable.

ET this is too much for me, each problem causes another, each issue prevents another solution, i'm stumbling all over myself, there's no end in sight, in fact i don't dare look anywhere any more, there's all these hobgoblins and crazy images and hallucinations crowding me out whereever i turn, i'm totally not safe, and that's where i am and that' what i do, and that's all that there is to it and that is that.

ET there's so much help available but not to me, i can't be helped and i can't be protected, these images are making sure that i stay in danger mode my whole life, i know i'm anxious, but i'd like a little relief from all of these images. they're getting a bit much!

ET i may never escape these images, they're looming up at me in all directions like ghosts in a ghost train, like spooks in a movie, like witches in a forest! YAAAH You got me, i'm really scared, I'm really scared, and now what?

ET these demons are here to protect me, but i'm really not sure quite how powerful they are, i love myself, i accept myself, it's OK to be me, and I wonder if these hallucinations might gently subside.

love

Rochel

 Thanks for the suggestions. So, I say these phrase for the karate chop points. What about the other points. What should I say for those points?

 Usually the basic is 'ET I have <this problem> I totally and completely love and accept myself'. The I repeat '<this problem>' for the other points. But, what should I say for the above sentense which does not follow the basic setup?

Hi Hopeful

That's a great question (and you have a great name, by the way!).

There are lots of ways to tap on the other points, not just to repeat "this problem".

One way is to tap and express, basically to say a different related phrase on each point, whatever comes to your mind.

Some people get very dramatic, some scream and swear out their emotions. In fact, they may do multiple rounds for each "Even though", until they've released all the pent up emotion! Other people are more tame!

Another way is argument tapping, for example, saying "this is true" "no it's not" alternatively on each point.

Another way is question tapping, ask a question on each point. "Can they subside?" "is there hope?"

Finally, and I guess the simplest, just repeat any phrase from the "Even Though" on each of the points.

love

Rochel

Hi Hopeful

I had another thought. You asked what phrase to use as you tap on all the points.

You don't have to tap on all the points, if you don't want to. For some people, tapping the KC is enough.

Some people like to cup their whole face in both of their hands, and just say: I'm here and I'm safe, and then wait for their breathing to gradually resume normal patterns.

Also drink an extra cup of water on the days you do this tapping.

kisses

Rochel