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Re: coersive persuation

vernpeace — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:43:07 GMT

hi OS, Thank-you...for...this...fasinating

...information...vern...has...learned...lots!

peace&love...vern

Re: coersive persuation

orangsweden — Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:30:10 GMT

Hi, again after awhile,

Since our last communication I had first a blank mind ,quite pleasant actually, then due to influences from the environment
things started to come to life.
Apart from ordinary tapping on things like lost time, abandoned goals, etc. I had to relearn talking to people all over just to keep an ordinary conversation on everyday things and not use any cult words. Like start to walk from the very beginning. And the worst now is the cowardliness that is in place; I am procrastinating "everything", but those are tapping items.
Life is a roller coaster now. I asked an informed person about this and I was told that I have to go through it.

This is to inform you what to expect from an ex cult member.
OS

Re: coersive persuation

orangsweden — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:56:54 GMT

Some weeks has now past and it has been an interesting time.

After tapping on different identities I had just a blank mind for about three weeks. It was nothing there not even a thought about the weather.

Now in week 30 things seems to come back to normal re tapping. Though I have seen a fenomenon regarding identities and space(room i.e.).
For instance you decide to become a vendor(identity) with all intention on being a good one. You go to a market place(space) and bump into
pro and contra intentions and so you modify your identity to be compatible with others in that space. That modification consists of your adoption of parts of other identities. If there are many other identities it will probably be a syntheses of identity.
There is much charge to release if you tap on the other person/s identity too from the same space. There must be some kind of overwhelm or collision either way to build up charge.
Or a persuasion must be done in small steps to pass unnoticed. And when you disclose the deceit keep control over yourself so you don't harm yourself.

Cheers

Re: coersive persuation

Namaste — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:45:41 GMT

Hi Orangsweden

I think laughter is a great reframe and a good sign that the charge has lessened. I will look up the links you gave, very interesting. Please keep us informed of your progress.

All the best

Noreen.

Re: coersive persuation

orangsweden — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:48:38 GMT

Just a little feedback again after a week.

After tapping on a couple of assumed identities my mind was totally empty for several days.

I have done some more tapping on own assumed identities and seen some patterns while tapping.

As the resistance part in the tapping was so strong it was only possible to tap continuously on my favorite spot on the head the whole session.
I have been possible only to put the tapping on "automatic" because the resistance is so strong.
If I assumed the wrong identity aspects showed up and I tapped on some aspects and rephrased the identity and if it was correct it work out to
discharge and ended with laughter.

Yours sincerely

Re: coersive persuation

orangsweden — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:44:37 GMT

A little feedback and summary to those scientifically interested:

I can assure you that you cannot detect the conversion when it happens. No chance!!
And afterwords you operate like a robot. I was lucky to detect that things did not ad up and run into EFT 5 yrs ago.
I started to tap and there were aspects, you bet. My tear glands stopped working after awhile. There was no end of it.
The change came when I red just by chance an article on mass hypnosis and learned a fraction about the technology behind it.
and I saw the treason. That was an opening.
Without this article and discovery of the technology I would not have had a chance what so ever. It is so sinister you cannot imagine.
I would have been tapping aspects ad infinitum.
Poor kids who have not lived enough to have anything to compare with. They are lost.

I have lost the first article but there is another that will do: "A New Coercive Psycho-technology" by Lawrence Wollersheim.

I tapped on those tricks and they produced reactions. And again by chance I had a tip to undercut the aspects.
Use the aspects to identify the identity you have adopted to have had all these aspects created. E.g. you have had car accidents -
identity assumed=driver, but know nothing about driving. Bullied at work- identity assumed=slave with no interest etc.

Then I tapped on some of the identities I had assumed within the order (book vendor, postman, student etc) and there was a difference in the reactions to EFT shown in the DVD:s. First there was nothing and after a while a strong resistance started to build up and all of a sudden I laughed and there was nothing left of that identity.

As this is very fresh I do not know of its permanence or side effects yet.

Now I am interested instead of worried.

Thanks guys

Re: coersive persuation

Namaste — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:29:29 GMT

Hi Orangsweden,

What may help you is to reframe the phrase 'hypnotic implant'

Hypnotic: having a compelling or soporific (induce drowsiness or sleep) effect.

Implant: establish (an idea) in the mind.

Both of these could have negative and positive connotations, depending on how you looked at them. Perspective is KEY here. Anything could fall into these two categories or meanings if we wanted them to.

The strongest emotion that comes across to me is that you feel 'duped' and 'taken in', as if you were powerless against the influence. Is this a recurrent theme with you? What was the family matter? Can you tap on it? Do you feel that you 'took the wrong turn and cannot go back'? Why can't you do all the things you wanted to do then, now? What is holding you back? Be really specific and write your answers down. Do you feel you have the ability to respond in a different way? Can you list all of your beliefs as Puja suggested?

I hope some of these suggestions help you

Noreen.

Re: coersive persuation

Rachel G. — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:00:34 GMT

i wonder, is eft a hidden hypnotic implant?

Re: coersive persuation

orangsweden — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:09:13 GMT

Hi folks,

Thanks for assistence.

When looking into the rear mirror I can see that the entrance point into these orders are "help". I had an excellent opportunity in a marine career
and was all of a sudden trying to sell books as a zealot in a nutty order. I was a little down because of a family matter and wanted to come out of
that so I could run my business and I wanted some help. After reading a book and a little counseling there was a total shift in my personality unbeknown to me at that time.

One clue I had later was the difference in my way of poor life I am living now compered to what it could have been.

So the actual hypnotic implant is still unknown. It seems that time wears the implant down.

If it is so easy to convert the personality of a person these hidden hypnotic techniques are lethal.

Re: coersive persuation

pujak — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:52:27 GMT

Hi Orangsweden,

Noreen has given some very good affirmations above. Work on them .

Just a few suggestions from me.

Write down a list of beliefs that were created after your experience with the religious order.Try and determine the beliefs that are detrimental to you socially and financially. I am assuming that since it was a religious order, they may have told you that money is not important or that social life is a delusion etc... I don't know what was told to you... but going on these lines tap on the beliefs that were formed.

Hope this helps,

Re: coersive persuation

Namaste — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:35:53 GMT

Happy midsummer to you too Orangsweden!

Noreen.

Re: coersive persuation

orangsweden — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:43:29 GMT

Thanks Noreen for your reply.

Just reading your suggestions kicked in emotions so I will work on this during a week.

Thanks and happy midsummer.

Orangsweden

Re: coersive persuation

Namaste — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:26:18 GMT

Hi Orangsweden,

Have you tried tapping on any of this? and have you downloaded the free manual?

Even though I was young and gullible and fell for a religious order's promise of being a better person and to run a good business, I deeply and completely accept how I feel, I forgive myself for being 'taken in' by them

Even though I never felt comfortable with the internal communist politics, I completely accept how I feel about all of that, I honour my choice to go

Even though I was very confused when I got out and didn't know where to go or what to do and I felt so shy, I hnour how I felt and how I feel, I am doing the best I can

Even though everything in the real world went to pieces and I was eventually just staring at the the wall w/o friends and money, I deeply and completely accept myself

Even though it made me apathetic and it doesn't give up and I don't know why, I completely accept how I coped back then, I willing to see that there is another way

Even though much later I read a quote on passive hypnotism and I had a huge AHA moment, my reality had been converted without my knowledge and that makes me feel ..... I accept how I feel.

Hope this helps

Noreen.

Re: coersive persuation

orangsweden — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:26:34 GMT

Hi and thanks for the reply,
first; my native lingo is not English so there can be errors in emphasize etc.
I was young and gullible and fell for a religious order's promise of being a better person as to running my business. I've never taken any drugs.
I did never feel comfortable with the internal communistic rulings so I got out of it.

Later when I got out of it I was very confused about life and I was very introverted.

But everything in the real world went to pieces and I was eventually just starring in the wall w/o friends and money. That apathy so created doesn't give up and I am kind searching for a why.
Lucky for me that I have a pension now.

Much later I read a quote(Sargant) on passive hypnotism and a big cognition dawn on me. My reality had been converted w/o my knowledge.

Many other physiologically matters have responded to EFT, but this one is trickier.

Cheers
orangswede

Re: coersive persuation

Namaste — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:27:32 GMT

Hi Orangsweden,

Welcome to the forums. There a few clues, as I see it, in what you've written. You say you have been subjected to coersive persuasion, do you feel like a victim here? Do you feel you had a choice? You could start here: Even though it felt like I had no choice, I accept how I feel. What do you mean by coersive persuasion? How was it coersive? emotionally, mentally, physically, can you be more specific? What do you mean by loop thinking, that your thinking is going around in circles and you can't stop it?

Even though I am wondering how I can come out of that loop thinking, I completely accept myself

If you have any further questions don't hesitate to ask

Noreen.