Hi all,

I've been working with a close relative who has Liver and Lung Cancer. Right now shes at the hospital, with water in her lungs. So far I tapped on the following:

Her ease of breathing, weaking lungs, bad results on the next Xray, that she has pneumonia, her immune system failed her, her lungs retaining water, slow healing lungs.

For her pain, EFT has been great!

 For appetite and vomitting, thats a sticking point still.

Even though I can lower the intensity from a 10 to 1, while imagining and immediately after vomitting? It doesnt seem to stick, and she'd puke the next time. There is no lasting change!

I know her vomitting is partly medical, but a lot of it seems to be psychological too, since she initiates the gag response just when shes about to drink/eat something.

 I have also been doing some tapping of past traumas and the possible causes of her cancer. The thing is, I may have caused some of those traumas and I can really see the resistance, though she is not aware of them on the conscious level.

Im new to EFT, but I've been practicing Sedona and NLP for years now so if anyone can suggest a pathway to clear those symptoms?

The vommiting/appetite most especially since were doing ALternative modes of treatment, and if she cant eat/drink vast amounts of juices, she has no chance of surviving!

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Jay

psychotix:

 Hi all, I have also been doing some tapping of past traumas and the possible causes of her cancer. The thing is, I may have caused some of those traumas and I can really see the resistance, though she is not aware of them on the conscious level.

Jay,

I might suggest doing some more exploring around this for yourself.  It sounds like there may be energy between you around past events and it will help both of you to clear it.  Tap on your feelings around any past events with your relative, then see if it's easier to work with her.

With much love,

Paul

You could also tap on (surrogately (as if you were her - if you feel able to - or directly on her):

Even though I have no appetite and feel sick all the time, and I can't get beyond that point, I'm stuck, I deeply and completely accept myself

Even though I can't breathe, I completely love and accept myself

Even though my immune system is failing and I feel weak, I love myself anyway, I am okay

Even though this scares me to death, I love and accept myself totally and completely

What do you mean when you say "since she initiates the gag response just when shes about to drink/eat something." Can you be more specific, is it the sight and smell of food that makes her sick or does she make herself sick?

The lungs are associated with grief (thumb meridian) and the Liver with anger (under the breast meridian) so you may want to tap on these points for her, gently and continuously to see if that helps

If you have any further questions please ask

psychotix:

 I have also been doing some tapping of past traumas and the possible causes of her cancer. The thing is, I may have caused some of those traumas and I can really see the resistance, though she is not aware of them on the conscious level

Further to what Paul suggests, you may need to seriously consider whether or not you are the right person to be supporting her with EFT - when things are tangled up with relationships and we are very close to the person needing some support, it can make it very difficult for both parties to relax enough to let the healing flow.  It may be that if she really wants to work with EFT it would be far easier for both of you if she was to work with an experienced practitioner.

psychotix:

I know her vomitting is partly medical, but a lot of it seems to be psychological too, since she initiates the gag response just when shes about to drink/eat something.

Have you tapped specificially on some of the worst experiences of vomitting in the past?  Sometimes we just need to clear enough of the past memories to be able to find a new way forward.  Her brain will have associations that have been created through specific incidents, so the more specific she can be with her tapping, the better the results.  With this I'd also be looking to explore the downside of letting these symptoms go - we can have a lot of beliefs around the appearance of being sick, things like "if I'm not vomitting when I'm having this treatment it means it's not working" and a whole host of other things.

What Paul wrote is so important - when we are supporting someone close we need to do our own tapping and clear our own stuff so that we can be there to support our loved one, whether we are doing so through EFT or simply being with them.  The more you can support yourself, the more you will be able to support her, it sometimes feels selfish in times like these to take time out for ourselves, but it really is the best thing we can do for our loved one. 

And as difficult as this might be to digest - is your friend asking for your help with EFT or are you wanting to help her and she doesn't really want it?  It might not be an issue for you, but for some it is our desperation to be of service and help that gets in the road - everyone has their own path to healing and EFT works best when it's a choice not something someone else wants for us.  Just something to be mindful of.

Very best wishes,

Jo

 
Absolutely Paul. There is definitely some major issues between her and I, and on the energetics level I could even have caused the cancer! Just to let you guys know, the patient is my mother.

Thank you for that Noreen, that is gold!
I meant that her physiology would change, would really start gagging just looking at the food, before actually having put it in.

Also she is enslaved to what she considers to be her Rhythm. And that means theres no way she'll eat if im in the room. The part of her responsible for vomitting simply wouldnt allow that!

In fact we did a parts negotiation before, thats an NLP technique where we tried to talk to the parts of her, and that part of her responsible for the puking told her, that it is there to PUNISH ME!

I did a little bit of intervention on her puking yesterday and guess what happened today.

She is now vomitting violently the whole day! In fact its gotten so worse that she couldnt eat absolutely anything! I've made it worse!

And thats not the first time it happened.
There have been numerous incongruencies or parts-conflict where SHE CONSCIOUSLY thinks she wants to heal, and yet it is apparent how she tries to self-sabotage anything that comes from me.

Even on the subtle energy level interventions like QIGong. The exact moment those pains started happening was when I was working on the tumors through QiGong. When I stop, the pains stop.

I dont even know if the QiGong was doing that, or the thought of me sending energy to her is being resisted by her body, in the form of pain!

BTW our family is notorious for being psychosomatic. I myself thought i was going to get a stroke a few days back, I was feeling a little nauseous, head about to explode. When I went to the doctor to get my blood pressure, I was shocked to know I didnt even have highblood pressure! ANd so instantly the symptoms disappeared!

My grandma, even father all are highly hypnotizable aka psychosomatic, so the mind-disease connection in our family is extra prevalent. 

So yeah im going to try surrogate tapping on her for a few days, just to minimize her internal sabotaging of my efforts. Which by the way she is unaware of, if you asked her.


Yes Jo, thanks for pointing that out.I must admit Im not the best man for the job, but being in Manila, and being in a family of closeminded folks? Simply no one else can do the job.

We even found a professional Clinical Hypnotherapists to work on her appetite months ago. They came up with all sorts of delaying tactics and excuses and nothing resulted from that ofcourse. She wouldnt even see him!

She doesnt have to be bedridden, and yet she finds an endless number of excuses as to why she shouldnt be going outside, to meetup with the Hypnotist, or even go to the living room, with all the bacterias etc.,

About her wanting me to help her?
Well as to if shes congruent to wanting to be healed and survive? Yes! Is she congruent if I were to be the hero, and heal her? I did some tapping on that, and she thought it was ridiculous! That she thinks, she doesnt care if I heal her,that shes not sabotaging my efforts just as long as she gets healed.

Ofcourse I didnt believe her! I've seen so much secondary gains, self sabotage to see that I SHOULDNT BE THE ONE to be healing her.

But if I dont do it, who will?

So thats one of the major problems here. Not only does she have terminal cancer, but her healer is the cause of that disease!

Anyway thank you all for the insights.

For now I will break down as many trees , and past traumas until I get her to a place of No stress, where all her memories are clear, and then break down the actual structures that make up a disease.e.g. Cancer=uncontrolled cell multiplication,weak immune system, fermented cells not taking oxygen, cells that are unaware they are killing the host though multiplying with the best intentions, cancers can kill etc..

Taking down 5K-10,000 trees I hope should do the job.


Jay

One of the main emotional reasons common to all types of cancer is deep resentment. So maybe this explains why your relative is resisting your efforts. Do you think she may be resentful of you? If you aware of what she may be resentful/angry about you could tap surrogately for her.

You say you are the cause of her cancer. Do you really believe that? Do you feel guilty? Are you seeking to be punished for that guilt? Even if you feel you contributed in some way, do you think it is 'unforgivable'. Is this something you could tap on? Do you think she is trying to punish you by not getting better? Are you resentful of her? Difficult questions Jay and if they don't resonate, don't use them.

Another resource you could try is the site http://germannewmedicine.ca/documents/welcome.html. It talks about how a conflict shock (visible on a brain scan as a lesion) can often be the cause of cancer and the crucial part is to enter the healing phase so the body can heal itself and EFT is brilliant for this!

I wish you both the very best.

Thank you Noreen. I teared up a little to be honest.

Ok, the only problem I have with surrogate tapping, is well atleast in the realm of energy healing (Quantum touch, QiGong,Kathara), distance healing does not work as well as physically being there. Through experience I noticed that the radiation and subtle body energies emitted physically are far more tangible,stronger than any energy emitted through distances. And seing that EFT relies on meridians and the bodies energy centers, so im guessing that I wouldnt be able to affect those meridians as well if I was in the same room? IM just speculating at this point ofcourse.

So does it work better if I surrogate tap, but actually using the points on her face, while she is sleeping?

Or can I just tap,say the setup+reminder statements ALOUD while she is sleeping? That ofcourse gets picked up by her subconscious mind. But I was just concerned because instead of releasing, it might anchor instead?

I mean if I was working with her unconscious mind in that fashion, should I phrase the reminders as just plain" vommiting" or would it be better to phrase as "release vomitting " ito avoid any unintended subconscious commands to her? If I was doing her while she is awake, she knows without a doubt, that "vomitting" is a reminder phrase, not a command to induce more vomitting.


As to if I believe im the cause of her cancer?
Well yeah sorta. On the emotional cause level, I would have to guess im it! But on a spiritual level, I know she chose to have this, even before she was born, so I know and feel no guilt. On the rational, mundane level, why would I feel guilty if I didnt that my stressing could cause her cancer? Had I known, I certainly would not have done them!

Now as to her wanting to punish me? Well yes I've suspected that ever since. And I would deeply and greatly resent her if she died from this! She would be taking away the chance for me to make amends for past sins! But, on the other hand were still readying ourself for the possibility that she might realistically die.

But when I had her talk to the part of her involved in the puking, to her surpise that is what was told to her! Now I just taught her how to do parts negotiation, and so I did not know what other things were said. Its basically her subconscious mind communicating to her. And so since I was the cause? How can I be part of the cure? SO I urged her to do this again by herself, talk to the different parts of her. The parts of her wanting to heal, her immune system, the actual cancer etc., so she can provide me some stuff we could work on.

As always she did not comply. It would've been a great resource if she could do that to dig deeper down for things she wouldnt normally be aware of, on a conscious level.Things we can release or tap for.


About the Germannewmedicine. I actually started reading that site a few days ago when I registered here. Someone on this forum gave the URL and I hope to God it works! You've no idea how much I want that to be true!
Because if that were true?  I can stop the LungCancer problem days from now, since we can trace the cause much more easily,(lung cancer started just months ago). The initial Primary Colon cancer, that was surgically removed, and caused her appetite problems, could be more difficult spanning many decades to trace the cause. The liver cancer is a little bit easier to find i guess, since trauma from that must've happened about a year or two ago.

I dont know I hope I am understanding this correctly?

Jay

Hi Jay,

Your energy is so high, and you're a real dedicated son, but I think you could do with a private session or a few with an experienced EFT practitioner just to get your energy back within your own body, you hopes back to normal, your beliefs back to sane and your vibes to stop bouncing off the wall! No wonder  your mother doesn't want you to be cure for her. It would just encourage you! Really, I have never told anyone to go to a practitioner before but I would advise it for you, at least for some phone sessions, just to be able to ground yourself. That's just my opinion.

With regard to your mother, how about "Even though she blames me for her illness, and she won't let me heal her, that's OK. That's who she is. I'm not trying to change her."

Even though she wants to die and I want her to live and if I would have wanted her to die she might deliberately want to live, hey that's OK, she's my mother, but I can't control her.

Even though she needs to drink all that juice and she won't or she can't or she won't so she can't or she can't so she won't or some other combination, I can't control her, although I wish I could give it to her in a drip.

Even though how can she want to punish me? What did I do so bad? There was rarely a son as good as I to a Mom, that's OK, she's just worried for me about my high energy and my belief in wierd things, and that's OK.  I know she loves me deeply. I love her too.

psychotix:

 
Absolutely Paul. There is definitely some major issues between her and I, and on the energetics level I could even have caused the cancer! Just to let you guys know, the patient is my mother.

Jay,

As I write this, I'm at my parent's house at the tail end of a week long visit that has included tapping with several relatives including my mom.  I can say from personal experience that there are some issues that it's VERY complicated for a son to work with his mother on.  

I'd suggest tapping on; 1) your energy being open to serve while letting go of need to save her, 2) on any feelings of needing save your mother and 3) your emotions about the seriousness of her situation.  See if that changes the dynamics any.

With much love,

Paul

Hi Jay,

I always remember something I read in Deepak Chopra's book Ageless Body, Timeless Mind - 'the more complete the resolution of your hurt, the more sincere the forgiveness'. In other words, we can't put the cart before the horse. Heal your hurt with your mother, then I think you will be able to see beyond her behaviour to who she truly is, who we all truly are. None of us hurt others without being hurt ourselves. That doesn't excuse it but it goes a long way to understanding it. And most importantly, it lets us off the hook, we stop poisoning ourselves with old resentments and stop struggling and trying to fix ourselves all the time. It's exhausting!! But it is crucial that we honour first how we feel, without shame, guilt etc. all the baggage attached to not feeling how we really feel. Give yourself permission to feel exactly what you feel. If we feel these emotions, we can tap on them. If we can allow our feelings, tap on them and watch them dissolve we have freedom. And then we can give that to others. None of us can give to others what we don't have. So the first person to start with is always us.

Lots of love to you and your Mam

Noreen.

 Your energy is so high, and you're a real dedicated son, but I think you could do with a private session or a few with an experienced EFT practitioner just to get your energy back within your own body, you hopes back to normal, your beliefs back to sane and your vibes to stop bouncing off the wall! No wonder  your mother doesn't want you to be cure for her. It would just encourage you!

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Thanks for the setup phrases Rachel.

The one mistake I often make when entering new communities, is to the extent I can be open to them. Open enough to be understood but not too out there to conflict too much with their belief systems.

In the actual cancer therapy area, we are using Gerson and Budwig protocol + Hulda Clarks which all boasts 90% success rates. I've noticed that many people who use EFT, also do Chemo, so in that area alone my beliefs and probabilities for success would certainly collide. 

We NEVER talked about our cancer treatment with the conventional MDs treating her for pneumonia. They all would think were insane, although the very MD's wife treating her died of Ovarian cancer inspite of their best efforts.

For QiGong?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGIN0G9JFss

Thats what turned me on to that mode of treatment. You can see the demonstration where they shrink a tumor the size of an orange in seconds.

Also google for Gou Lin qigong or qigong cancer testimonials. There have been thousands of cancer patients who have been cured of cancer just through QiGong and absolutely no medical intervention. In China there are QiGong hospitals, with Western and Eastern medical trainings who do just that to cure major diseases.

That and the things i've personally experienced and seen with the technology!

Prior to this whole cancer problem, I guess I was always everywhere, trying to learn things not normally considered conventional. But then in the NLP and PUA/Seduction community that is sort of the norm, where I original come from. People in those communities would believe anything at will, change innergame, just to get the job done! This ability to change belief at will e.g. that youre the club owner, you're a celeb etc, are all NECESSARY skillsets in the seduction community as a way to alter vibes!  After the job has been done, we discard what is no longer of use, and trully and deeply internatlize what is important to sustain the success rates.

As for the difference between the old and new me? Nothing changed much really. The same energy, passion I channeled in my other former ventures, are now all channeled and focused on my Mom's cancer problem.

 But then being me, there are still aspects only an observer can see. So perhaps youre right, I need to be more grounded or "realistic", isthat what you meant?

None of that matters however. I will believe I need to believe, become whoever I need to be,do what needs to be done to heal my mom and solve this problem.

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 Absolutely Paul! There are just doors I cant go through. Most especially when I myself am a player.

 Actually a few days back it got so depressing, I had to tap to be disconnected from all this emotions. I felt guilty, but I cant do my job if im too close, and too attached emotionally!

I've made it into a Zero, totally numb, but it didnt seem right. So when it got back up again, I just let it be.

CHANGED MESSAGE - if you got this by email you will have seen that I originally wrote something different. kind of rude and strong minded. I'm now of the opinion that there are more polite ways to say the same message, so here goes:

Hi Jay

I don't really understand what is going on with you and your mother. You said that you might have caused her cancer, which is something I can't really relate to. I thought that illness is an "inside job", and that while you might have influenced her negatively, you can't actually make her ill unless she agreed to be made ill by you. However, I may be wrong on this.

Secondly, I don't understand where your mother is right now. You said she is in hospital being treated from pneumonia, and yet she also has cancer which she might be dying from? It seems from your post that the doctors treating her have not been informed about the cancer, because you are using other methods. Is this true?

Thirdly, I'd just like to mention that it seems from my brief research that conventional medicine, including surgery, radiation, and chemo, is considered the more reliable way to treat cancer nowadays, with the best hopes for recovery; despite claims made by alternative therapies to the contrary.

There are possible biases to such information. It could be that these results are biased by doctors who don't want to see the light of energy medicine. It could also be that an opposite opinion, (that only Chinese or alternative medicine is reliable and goes to the root cause), is influenced by not wanting to introduce poisons and surgery and very invasive procedures to a person's body. I would not like to judge whether any of these biases are true. Since there are no guarantees of success based on past performance, each person must decide which route they will follow.

I wish you much success. If you read my previous point and were offended, I'm sorry. Please forgive me. I got carried away.

I think it is very important to be gentle and kind and treat others as we would like to be treated. Let us keep the topic to EFT and what it can do in this situation for Jay and his mother who are going through a difficult time and came here for our support.

Noreen.

"The reason people on this list believe in chemo is BECAUSE IT WORKS."

Dear Rachel,

This is your opinion, it might not be everyone else's.

Fabienne

JAY

you know how to change roles at will, so now you will change again to the role of cult member. You shall obey

Get your mother out of that #$%^&*( place THIS SECOND. Do not pass GO, do not collect $200.

Your mother is not a guinea pig to find out if these $%^&* principles work. NO-ONE IS GOING TO REFUND YOU YOUR MONEY IF THE TREATMENT DOES NOT WORK.

Your mother is not Chinese and she has no Chinese blood in her and no Chinese traditions and NO CHINESE BELIEFS. She may change on the inside beautifully but she may pass away before she gets the chance for the change to affect her life energy. SHE MAY BE VERY PEACEFUL BUT SHE MAY DIE.

The reason people on this list believe in chemo is BECAUSE IT WORKS.

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Chemotherapy works and the world is flat.

I've been exposed to EFT years back, but on a shallow level. People in the seduction community use EFT to combat approach anxieties. That is the fear of approaching and striking up a conversation with a complete stranger. 

I accidentally stumbled across a  couple of cancer testimonial in healingcancernaturally.com, about EFT. So here I am!

I would rather believe and try a method that has a 50/50 chance of working, rather than adopt a loser mentality where I have a 100% chance of failing!

What possible gain would I get if I adopted your mindset? So are you saying that I should just give up without a fight?

I have no problems with Chemo, if it really works! It sometimes works in shrinking tumors. But a lot of people die with shrunk tumors, and from the Chemo itself. The body is so badly damaged, and the cancer returns with a vengeance, so for us that is not an option.

Tumors ARE NOT the Cancer! They are just symptoms. You cannot be cancer free, by just shrinking the tumors.

You can address this many ways, many levels, and EFT is just one layer of the fight,

We can argue this all day long, but at the end of the day, you would have to systematically murder all the living patients that have been cured  who went through this WEIRD, INSANE healing modalities like QiGong, Budwig,Gerson and this absurd system called EFT, that clears emotions via this non-scientifically proven energy meridians that also has its own share of success stories with serious diseases.

My guess? Its just a conspiracy! Tens of thousands of people got together, came up with fake testimonials, fake clinical records, just to damage  the Pharmaceutical companies. lol

I'll let you win this debate. But let me win the fight in the real world.