Hi,

I´m from Mexico city, sorry if my English is not very good... I work with magnets and have patients with different problems. I´m just starting with EFT and need help because next week a new patient is comming and he has a very, very bad knee pain problem. He is also a very "angry" man and I don´t know how to handle that or how to approach to that; is the pain caussing the anger? or is the oposite??. My goal is to help him with the pain, but I don´t know how to get there.

Sincerely,

Elizabeth

Hello Elizabeth,

Welcome to our forum!!!

First, I would like to recommend that you tap on yourself about dealing with his anger.

I like to refer to Louise Hay's I Can Heal My Life. In it, she refers to the emotional cause of arthritis:

• feeling unloved
• criticism
• resentment 

For knee problems:

• stubborn ego and pride
• inability to bend
• fear
• inflexibility
• won't give in

You could ask him if he would like to know about what came what when you researched the emotional cause of arthritic knees. Then you could tell him you are not sure if any of these may fit for him and ask if any of them are true for him. In fact, which one is the most true. And tell him, that possibly his knee hurts more when there is something he hasn't or isn't dealing with. If he agrees, then I would measure the intensity of the pain of his knee right then. Have him show you were it hurts and what number out of 10.

Then work on whatever emotional issue is biggest for him. Have him be specific. Tap on that emotion. As the intensity drops--ask how his knee feels.

An added approach would be to ask when did his knee start hurting. What big event was going on arouind the same time? Then clear that event.

Hope this helps.

Gratefully yours,

JoAnn

Hello JoAnn,

Thank you very much!

The more I read about EFT, the more I think it is not that ease as it seems..

I'll tap myself before, thank you for your advise!

Elizabeth

Hello Elizabeth,

You are welcome!!!

The more you do it, and read about it--the better you will be able to use it. 

Let me know how it goes with your angry client. My guess he has some deep emotional pain under the anger. The anger is could be a big shield to protect him.

Gratefully yours,

JoAnn

Elizabeth

You are right its not always as easy as it might seem at first.  Its not always possible to tap on 'Even though I have a sore knee....', although sometimes it is. 

In a demonstration  for an EFT Training workshop I run I worked on a lady with a 'clicky' shoulder.  She couldn't raise it above shoulder height without pain and a loud click.  We tapped on 'Even though I have a clicky shoulder I accept myself'.  Next minute she raised it up and it was fine.  She then told me it had been like that for 20 years.  I still see her and it has never come back.

In another demonstration with a clicky wrist tapping on the physical symptom did not work and we had to go into guilt issues over work, her mother and role as a wife before the click disappeared.  Still only 20 minutes but a little more indepth and more skill needed in asking the right questions.

If you study the DVD's and perhaps can do some live workshop training in addition this will give you a good grounding into how to use EFT.  If we do not know all that is involved then it can be too easy to dismiss it as not working.

When working with physical symptoms I tend not to use books, I trust my clients subconcious mind totally.  However I do like to check with the books and to my delight find that the issues and emotions they come up with often match these kind of books.   When starting out it can be a good guide even if it is for them to say 'No its not that but it is this!'

My favourite question is to ask if your knee had something to say what would it be. 

Gill 

Thank you both, JoAnn and Gill.

Today I saw my patient, I did my usual treatment with magnets and other stuff I do and then I try to explain him (and myself) the EFT basics. For my surprise when I told him that the real cause of his arthritis was related with an emotional issue, he agreed!!! and then he told me it sarted six months after some guys robed him at his office and his wife arrived to the scene. This happened 7 years ago, and his knees are very, very deformed, he can bearly walk. Everythig was ok so far, but then I asked him if he still have emotions about that event, and he say NO...?? I asked him to tell me the hole thing to see if he gets upset, but he didn't... I did the tapping anyway... whith the frase -Even I was scared, me and my wife are now safe. Then I asked him if there is anything or anybody that makes him angry, and he said -yes, my coworkers-, so we tapped on that, but then he had to leave... so we didn't finished the hole thing.

I told him to think if there is something more form his childhood, hea said -ok I will-. He is coming next week again and I hope I can do better this time...If you have some advise and coments about my performance today I'll appreciate that :)

Do you have people in Mexico city doing EFT or live workshop training?

Thank you again for your patience and time,

P.D. This morning I had a wrist pain, I couldn't use my mouse at the office becouse of that, so I did the tapping, after 4 rounds it was totally gone, so maybe I'm doing something ok!

Elizabeth

Elizabeth,

Great job!!! Thank you for sharing your successes.

You had him agree the cause of his arthritis was emotional--he is eager to be healed. I just had an insight, do you think that he may feel that he has to be punished for his wife seeing him being robbed?

What I do is ask my clients to check into the part of their body that is giving them pain and ask for the intensity of the pain. I ask questions about where it is at and what kind of sensations they are having right then, and I write it down. Then I ask what is upsetting them right then. I find out the intensity of the emotion and write that down.

When we tap, we usually tap on the emotion. I try to get them moving energy. Some ways to do that is to have them:

• be loud

• yell

• inhale and exhale consciously

• laugh

Some ways to tell that they are moving energy

• more color in their face
• see they have perspired
• burping
• farting
• yawning
• laughing
• sighing

He might be shut way down and feeling numb. How did he feel about his wife arriving at the scene? So, Even though:

• I felt _________________ when my wife saw me after I was robbed, and I accept myself

my wife saw me, and I feel ________I didn't want her to see me that way...

• it is hard for me to express my feelings about the robbery, and I am OK.
  

Hope this helps,
JoAnn

 Elizabeth,

Great job!!! You had him see the cause of his arthritis was emotional--very good!

What I do is ask my clients to check into the part of their body that is giving them pain and ask for the intensity of the pain. I ask questions about where it is at and what kind of sensations they are having right then, and I write it down. Then I ask what is upsetting them right then. I find out the intensity of the emotion and write that down.When we tap, we usually tap on the emotion. I try to get them moving energy. Some ways to do that is to have them:

• be loud
• yell
• inhale and exhale consciously
• laugh

Some ways to tell that they are moving energy

• more color in their face
• see they have perspired
• burping
• farting
• yawning
• laughing
• sighing

He might be shut way down and feeling numb. How did he feel about his wife arriving at the scene? Some set-up phrase might be, Even though:

• I felt _________________ when my wife saw me after I was robbed, and I accept myself my wife saw me, and I feel ________I didn't want her to see me that way...
• I don't know how to feel certain emotions. Maybe there is a part of me that is afraid of what I might do...

Hope this helps,
JoAnn

 Hello JoAnn,

Thank you again for your answer and advise.

 If I ask him to inhale and exhale while I'm doing the tapping, I sould tell the frase for him rigth?

About your question..

>I just had an insight, do you think that he may feel that he has to be punished for his wife seeing him being robbed?< 

 When his wife arrived the thieves were still there, so my patient felt very scared about what can they do to her, he said -my legs started to shake when I heard her voice- Then the guys took her to the same room he was, and left her there, and then they leave whit the money.
I know his family and I think there is more, for example, he has a 30 y.o. son who is retarded, and who is like a little boy. His wife is a very nice person, she always takes care of this sweet guy, and work very hard all day long. My patient is very rough with both of them and his dougther, he gets angry for anything...the towell is not in the right place, the sup is not warm, etc., etc. Despite his bad humor, she is nice to him.

Hola Elizabeth,

Que tal,

You are doing brilliantly.

You asked if there were workshops in Mexico.

Have you looked at Garys Workshops if there is anything ?

Do you receive Garys newsletter in Spanish and also Master Rue Hass has a Spanish newsletter they are both invaluable.

Saludos

Marie

Marie,

Thank you!

I want to join your Spanish EFT group.

Elizabeth

Elizabeth

I just caught up with this, you are doing brilliantly!!  You clearly know what you need to do and how, and you will get used to the strange responses from clients.  When they claim they don't feel something its because its stuffed into their knees so their heart or soul doesn't have to feel it.

A way to get round this is to ask them if they were to look at the scene as a picture what would they believe about themselves if it is a story they told you which they claim to feel ok about.  Often they will say 'Its my fault' or "I am all alone and unsafe' The truth is that feeling would be too painful to feel so they have to be protected.  We can all tell our stories when we are in 'coping' mode.

Thats why chasing the pain, or using words to describe the pain can work so well, it eases the emotional contributers without them knowing.  My friend once chased a pain all round her husbands body till it ended up in the his finger, then it left.  Then he started to be nice again.  She knew she had got him to deal with his anger without having to even think about it.

You might get some good news next week or a chance to help him some more.  I think the hardest thing for me about being a therapist at first was when someone seemed to  make the choice not to come back, but then I discovered that  either they didn't need to and just didn't think to let me know, or they would come back later when they were ready.

Gill 

Hi Elizabeth,

Can you email me off line for the Spanish Group?

If you have probelms finding the Spanish newsletters ffrom Gary and/or Rue and want to receive them, let me know and I can forward you a link.

Warmest wishes,

Marie

Elizabeth, I have the same problem as this individual spoken of, -  knee pain.  It's true that Louise Haye says that this problem stems from stubborn ego and pride,etc...  However I've looked carefully into my personality, and I just don't see these qualities.  What gives?  How right IS she? I'm THE person who IS able to be flexible and bend. There's a lot of confusion around Louise Hay, no matter HOW successful she is.  I'm not complaining, just looking for insight.  Respectfully,  :)  Arum

Arum - The only interpretation that is useful is one that actually helps you to see a way forward, no matter how successful someone is!  However at the same time I've found that sometimes it's very challenging to embrace a concept about something that Louise writes, not because it's wrong, but because she is talking about things that are hard for us to see.  For example one time I was having difficulty seeing an issue coming from ego and stubborness and pride and it turned out that when I did some healing around it she was totally right - I was projecting the ego onto the other person I was having difficulties with and thought they were being stubborn etc but it turned out it was me.  My whole relationship with that particular person completely changed after I did that healing.

It's amazing how we can hide our beliefs from ourselves.  For example some people see themselves as very flexible and able to bend and yet have huge difficulties forgiving people for things they consider they did wrong. As hard as it is for us to accept, often when we are coming from a point of view where we think we are right and someone else is wrong it's a sign that we are not being flexible because we are clinging desperately to our points of view instead of seeing that nothing is black and white and there are many shades of gray. I've seen this in myself and others I've supported over and over.  It's amazing how often I bust myself and realise that how I have been looking at something is only one interpretation and if I can tap and take a bigger perspective, the situation looks different and I find myself being more flexible.

That said, there are always many interpretations for a particular thing like knee pain.  For example a very common one is that people have difficulty with their knees when they are not feeling ready to move forward with something in life - they aren't feeling ready to take some new steps which they know they want to but have fear around taking.  Knee pain is also often an indication of anger towards someone that we are having difficulty forgiving - for some reason we tend to stuff our anger into our joints.

Just a few thoughts in case anything of assistance to you.

Very best wishes,

Jo