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"Will you give this to my Daddy?"

This touching and patriotic story has been circulating on the internet.  It's message is powerful so I thought I would include it in this blog.  The author is unknown. 

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Last week I was in Atlanta , Georgia attending a conference. While I
was in the airport, returning home, I heard several people behind me
beginning to clap and cheer. I immediately turned around and witnessed
one of the greatest acts of patriotism I have ever seen.

Moving thru the terminal was a group of soldiers in their camos. As they
began heading to their gate, everyone (well almost everyone) was abruptly
to their feet with their hands waving and cheering.

When I saw the soldiers, probably 30-40 of them, being applauded and
cheered for, it hit me.  I'm not alone.  I'm no t the only red-blooded
American who still loves this country and supports our troops and their
families.

Of course I immediately stopped and began clapping for these young
unsung heroes who are putting their lives on the line everyday for us so
we can go to school, work and home without fear or reprisal.

Just when I thought I could not be more proud of my country or of our
service men and women, a young girl, not more than 6 or 7 years old ran
up to one of the male soldiers. He kneeled down and said 'hi.'

The little girl then asked him if he would give something to her daddy
fo r her.

The young soldier, who didn't look any older than maybe 22 himself,
s aid he would try and what did she want to give to her daddy. Then
suddenly the little girl grabbed the neck of this soldier, gave him the
biggest hug she could muster and then kissed him on the cheek.

The mother of the little girl, who said her da ughter's name was
Courtney , told the young soldier that her husband was a Marine and had
been in Iraq for 11 months now. As the mom was explaining how much her
daughter Courtney missed her father, the young soldier began to tear up.

When this temporarily single mom was done explaining her situation, all
of the soldiers huddled together for a brief second. Then one of the
other service m en pulled out a military-looking walkie-talkie. They
started playing with the device and talking back and forth on it.

After about 10-15 seconds of this, the young soldier walked back over to
Courtney, bent down and said this to her, 'I spoke to your daddy and he
told me to give this to you.' He then hugged this little girl that he
had just met and gave her a kiss on t he cheek. He finished by saying
'your daddy told me to tell you that he loves you more than anything and
he is coming home very soon.'

The mom at this point wa s crying almost uncon trollably and as the young
soldier stood to his feet, he saluted Courtney and her mom. I was
standing no more than 6 feet away from this entire event.

As the soldiers began to leave, heading towards their gate, people
resumed their applause. As I stood there applauding and looked around,
there were very few dry eyes, including my own. That young soldier in
one last act of se lflessness, turned around and blew a kiss to Courtney
with a tear rolling down his ch eek.

We need to remember everyday all of our soldiers and their families and
thank God for them and their sacrifices. At the end of the day, it's
good to be an American.

Comments

 

Priscilla Warner said:

Not a dry eye here.  Thank you.

May 29, 2008 5:54 PM
 

Steve Logan said:

Tap on that!  Tears and Cheers from CA.

May 29, 2008 6:38 PM
 

John Russo said:

Thanks for passing that along  Gary,  It gives us all a chance to pause, reflect and  remember. "and a child shall lead  them." Touching? Absolutely. Those honorable young men and women will be forever in the hearts of those who read this and especially in the heart of that dear child.

Thanks Again Gary.

May 29, 2008 6:43 PM
 

June Steely said:

Very touching and heartbreaking. Thank you1

May 29, 2008 7:32 PM
 

maxine smith said:

I Have memories of Vietnam  and how the troops in Australia were boo'ed this story is so refreshing to read and see how the consciousness has changed.

Not that I beleive the war in Iraq has acheived anything except to destroy many American and overseas soldieras lives.Power to Courtney and her mother for the love they expressed.

May 29, 2008 8:04 PM
 

Andy said:

I am sad to say that these great young soldiers will need a lot of EFT after serving proudly our country. They are crippling their lives, will be emotionally hurt to their core being, because we as a society are not giving up on our proud lifestyles here @ home. Also, same goes for a little girl that is missing her daddy. She will too need and benefit from EFT because these are life changing experiences that we are ALL part of it! Our lifestyle effects us in every possible level if we want to admit or not, especially emotionally..., effects our country, the world, Mother Earth and the Universe.

"BE THE CHANGE YOU WISH TO SEE IN THE WORLD." by Gandhi

Peace to ALL!

May 29, 2008 8:16 PM
 

vickey Hodnik said:

WOW! That hit me like a ton of bricks. A very precious moment for all those who were there to witness it  and thank God we have the emotions to feel and absorb a moment like that secondhand. Thank you, Gary, for passing it on.

May 29, 2008 8:30 PM
 

Bee said:

This story was very touching! I'm thinking of how much that hug and kiss meant to both the soldier and the little girl.

Bless our men and keep them safe.

May 29, 2008 8:46 PM
 

moyra mulholland said:

The saddest thing is........do these young men know for what they are fighting ?

May 29, 2008 8:49 PM
 

Penny H. said:

Love is a wonderous thing,  It is such a little word, but there is not another with more power, how fitting that a little one named Courtney could be so powerful in her action...."and a child shall lead them".....

Thank You Gary

May 29, 2008 8:50 PM
 

geoff said:

If these soldiers didnt believe the lies they were being fed on a daily basis they wouldnt be in a Bulls#@%t war killing innocent people!

Sorry gary but your technique is really great but supporting a war for so called freedom is crap.

BE THE CHANGE YOU WISH TO SEE IN THE WORLD." by Gandhi  BY SUPPORTING WAR????? and killing innocent children!! a slight contradiction if you ask me

May 29, 2008 8:53 PM
 

Trace said:

Damn I know i should not read these things at work now everyone is asking me if I am alright and why are you crying..I just wont our boys and girls to come home

May 29, 2008 8:55 PM
 

Trace said:

Geoff i have to totally agree with you I love and respect every soldiers, but killing innocent people for what to maintain our own way of life, or is it just to make a heap more money for the rich while the poor of the world fight and die.

May 29, 2008 9:01 PM
 

Lynsey said:

As a non-American, living outside of America I can tell you American patriotism makes me nauseous. I will tap on it.

Are you really unaware of the rest of the world?

May 29, 2008 9:15 PM
 

Jason C. Ronco said:

I received that email from a friend of mine some time ago. It brought tears to my eyes  

and still does every time I read it.

Although I disagree with why we are there, our troops are there and they need our prayers and support. Nobody forced them to join our military. They knew what they could be facing before they joined - and they joined anyway. Brave solders like that are what makes me proud to be an American!!! Freedom is not free. God bless America and our troops!!!

May 29, 2008 9:23 PM
 

geoff said:

Hi Trace

My comment was not to blast gary or the team it can get very upsetting watching people put their dreams and lives into the hands of other people.

We create our own realities and the more people put energy into this organised chaos the more the machine will keep running and hence forth people will die and the whole resonance of humanity will keep on getting beaten down.

Thank you for your kind words tracy your are right, but the more we keep listening to people telling us we need to kill and fight people in order to find happiness in ourselves the more we stray further away from our true desires of peace.

War does not equal peace!

May 29, 2008 9:24 PM
 

Davitt said:

Hello guys,

Normally don't use these comment things, but this article and subsequent comments have actually drove me to the point of extreme anger, something I rarely engage in!

Reading some of these comments makes me very worried. How can you EVER, EVER, justify killing people guys? Really, get off your high horse and crash back down to reality, PLEASE. America is destroying the entire world at present, yet the American public are on a 'holier than thou' ego trip. Very little Americans can see just how absolutely brainwashed and far from the truth they really are.

Support and pray for the troops? I'd rather pray and support Hitler and the third reich for aren't they the same thing? Killing people for reasons of "terrorism" and "homeland defense", censoring the news so the public know nothing and forget everything, calling everyone against the war 'unpatriotic' and 'against America'.

I really try and spread love to everyone I meet lately, unconditionally, but this article has just thrown that out the window...

Jason C. Ronco, your comments "Brave solders like that are what makes me proud to be an American!!! Freedom is not free. God bless America and our troops!!!" actually makes me want to scream from top of my lungs. HOW.....HOW can you say these things?

I'm over this, thought I'd say my bit.

People, WAKE UP.

Much love to you all,

Dav.

May 29, 2008 9:35 PM
 

fanchon said:

War is not the answer.  Sacrifice of these men and the corruption war makes in their lives, seeing killing, being ordered to kill, these do not work any more.  We have invaded another country.  Does that not seem insane.  I will tap on that also.

May 29, 2008 9:36 PM
 

Judy Farrar said:

I feel distressed reading this story because, although these brave young men and women are risking their lives every day and think it is to protect our country, that does not appear to be the case. Even President Bush's ex press secretary is now admitting that the war was based on lies and deception. In the meantime, so much death and destruction will need phenomenal amounts of EFT to make any kind of difference. And what about the suffering of the Iraqi people as well as our own soldiers. Don't Iraqi mothers feel like American mothers do when their children are killed and maimed. There is nothing glorious or heartwarming about killing people. Gary, think this over!

May 29, 2008 9:47 PM
 

Michelle said:

Must agree with Geoff. The story of compassion and kindness brought tears to my eyes too. I honor all human beings. Everyone has the spark of the divine in them. It is a shame, though, for us to use our God-given humanity to kill innocent people. With all due respect, there is no bravery in that. To cheer for soldiers who are involved in organized genocide is to be in denial. These soldiers will need a lot of help when they return. I'd be the first to want to assist. How will they  make amends to the Iraqi people for the harm they have caused? EFT without amends is not sufficient. May they see the light of truth before they have to go off to "war" in the first place. To still think people are in Iraq fighting so "we can go to school, work and home without fear or reprisal." is really to be in the dark! The war money has been taken away from our quality of life for generations to come. We have destroyed the fabric of society in Iraq. And before that hundreds of thousands of children died there due to US imposed UN sanctions (according to UNICEF) We Americans need to wake up!

May 29, 2008 9:56 PM
 

Michael said:

I'm sorry but to see the hatred in these responses compelled me to respond. I am a Marine and believe me we all know why we fight!! Do you not remember the innocent lives that were taken on 9/11 ?? We have seen so many more innocent lives taken, not by American soldiers or Marines but by the same people that attacked us on our own soil. To say we fight for profit or oil is an insult to Marines, Soldiers and all Americans. People are blinded by political affiliation and fail to recognize that if we sat back and did nothing, we would be attacked again. This time it could be your family that suffers. I pray for all the world to live in peace but as long as there are those who would kill us because of our way of life, there can be no peace. Thank God you have Marines willing to die so that you can live without fear!!

May 29, 2008 9:56 PM
 

Maureen said:

My father served in the armed services and came back mentally scared. He inflicted great anger and frustration upon my childhood. My childhood was horrible and created a second generation affected by war. I feel like canon fodder. Chewed up and spat out. War only decided who is left, not who wins. All of those who died are the only ones not still be affected, so they are the winners if there are any at all.

May 29, 2008 10:40 PM
 

Josette said:

I am not an American, but my heart goes out to all the Americans who have lost their loved ones in Iraq.

It is such a shame that in the removal of one man, America has destroyed a nation and still causing so much sufferings to the Iraqis and its own people.

I will tap for an end to that.

May 29, 2008 10:50 PM
 

Catherine said:

From here in Europe we see things differently. The act of kindness of a US soldier has nothing to do with patrotism. The war should never have started inthe first place, that is the real tragedy.  Anything that initiates in fear and lies is bound to bring nothing but suffering for years to come . . . .

May 29, 2008 10:57 PM
 

Michelle said:

Michael, I really encourage you to search for the truth. You have been sold a bill of goods. If your military trainers did not tell you that story they could not justify sending you to Iraq. You do not have to search far to find out why we are in Iraq and the terrible damage it is causing throughout the world. You will find a lot of support when you see the truth. In peace and love.

May 29, 2008 11:05 PM
 

Jason C. Ronco said:

Saddam didn't attack us!!

Bin-Laden attacked us.

Saddam was no threat to us.

May 29, 2008 11:09 PM
 

Davitt said:

To Michael: 9/11 is the reason America is attacking Iraq???? Hold on, didn't 'Bin Laden' 'do' 9/11? Where's the link mate? Saddam....Bin Laden? Huh?

You work for George Bush....didn't you know the Bin Ladens were very close business partners with the Bushes? Do you know the White House had all the Bin Ladens flown out of America just after 9/11?

www.worldnetdaily.com/.../article.asp

Sorry my friend, the game's rigged, you've been had.

Much love to you in these troubled times.

May 29, 2008 11:22 PM
 

Vivek Kaul said:

Dear Gary,

I have been touched by the complete range of emotions displayed as well as the story itself. I stay in Calcutta in East India, the place where Mother Teresa established "Missionaries of Charity".

If I may respond a little dispassionately, I think it is time we remembered a few facts about America:-

a) In World War-II, America initially adopted a policy of COMPLETE NEUTRALITY between the Axis Powers and the Allies;

b) Later when it was becoming obvious that Hitler was proving a mass-murderer and comiited genocide in places like Poland, America proclaimed itself an "arsenal of democracy". But President Roosevelt did not get necesary permission from Congress to join the War.

c) It is only after the vicious pre-emptive strike at Pearl Harbour, that the USA joined the War with a vengeance and the Axis Powers, few in number though they were, were immeasurably strengthened in America's delay in joining the War.

d) When USA lost 50,000 troops in the battle to take the remote Japanese island of Iwo Jima, they were fighting a battle only with the Japanese; Germans had surrendered!

But the sheer tenacity with which the Japanese defended even a remote island demoralised USA which though it joined the War effort very late was tiring out and the newly appointed President Harry Truman wanted a quick-fix solution to end teh War in a blaze of glory. What a curse for mankind that America is the only country which used atom bombs on a war weary Japanese Govt and its Emperor Hirohito.

To my mind more powerful, but completely forgotten is the need for America to define and defend its values rather than defeat its enemies. And one must humbly suggest that the bumbly George Bush II is among the many American Presdients who have wreaked havoc on a world that has got disgusted with America burying its head in the sand while the sceptre of terrorism grew; it only became obvious to America after 9/11.

And if you wish to defend the values of the civilised world then you must realise that chasing the mirage of WMDs in Iraq is a non-issue, that truth must prevail, and that you must get all civilian democracies on one side based on shared values that will not merely be reflected in our speeches but much more in our actions, and to which we need to hold ourselves accountable. America in many ways needs to totally reinvent itself! In fact the real killer in Iraq in the 21st century is George Bush; Saddam was a 20th century mass murderer

May 29, 2008 11:29 PM
 

West said:

It made my heart glad to read more than a few comments, by Genuine Human Beings, who are awakening and speaking up for Peace.  Everyone can now forgive and accept ourselves for supporting war, murder, and insanity. Evidence of the Paradigm Shift is in these statements. War is obsolete. We are beginning to remember that we have never forgotten. The Game is Over, Peace Is Imminent. Rejoice.

May 29, 2008 11:42 PM
 

Steve said:

I need to tap on the fact that I am super cynical about stuff on the internet that's written anonymously and can't be verified ... especially when it's all so perfect scene, like this one ... I mean, every move, word, nuance ... fit for a movie.

May 30, 2008 12:01 AM
 

geoff said:

I feel as though i have opened a can of worms here. I just want to say to gary and the team it was not a shot at them at all.

I am very humbled to see that there are alot of people out there who are awake to the real happenings of these events.

Peace and love to you all. :-)

May 30, 2008 12:10 AM
 

Steve said:

Don't worry about it Geoff. You didn't open anything. You were got your comment up before the others.

May 30, 2008 12:14 AM
 

James said:

Yes it is a very touching story. It is also very sad that troops from other countries are being killed, to satisfy the wants of a few that are wanted for war crimes far greater than the *** carried out in Europe. Bush/ Cheny and the Israe lies should all be on trial. Wake up Americans, destroy yourselves before you destroy the planet that you think needs change. Bin Laden was in CIA hands at the time of the 9/11 event. Clean up your own backyard before you think you need to fix things elsewhere.Tell your soldiers to come home before they are all injured mentally or physically, Question there leaders. Lucky to live in Australia. May all our Gods be with us.  

May 30, 2008 12:44 AM
 

Margaret Maddock said:

I have to add my bit.  Firstly, it was a terrible thing that Vietnam soldiers were treated with such disrespect as human beings when they returned, not only in America but in Australia as well.  Not because they were right, or that they were protecting that pseudo-democracy "Capitalism", but because they were human beings who suffered appalling harm of many kinds, because what is known and recognised as the Permanent War Economy, does not recognise Humanity, only Statistics.

This is not addressed in anger, but it is sometimes difficult to Love people who you can only pity for the rot that is inside them for whatever reason, and the actions they take through fear, also known as greed.

Something which can be shown clearly, and there is enough documented evidence to show it, is that, firstly, 9/11 was a set up, videos of the event showed clearly that there were several bomb blasts in the building which had to have been pre-set; secondly, do a bit of research into who Mr George Bush was wish when that, and other events have happened; Saddam Hussein only became a "Bad Guy" after he's refused to do as he was told by the American Government/Financial Interests; Osama Bin Laden and the Bush Family go back decades as close personal friends; and that's just some of it.

But the truth is, we can't change them.  Their fear, and pride, and anger, and all the many things which EFT help so much with, which it's unlikely they will ever be able to use because the only value I suspect they feel they have is through Control.

When we're getting reactive, I guess the question maybe we should ask is, what is their heart feeling, how is their soul hurting, why are they so terrified of "losing Control", and perhaps we should think how we would feel inside, if we allowed ourselves to become or to react like that.

I'm figuring Love them, with all the warts, with all the anger, with all the fear, and be aware, constantly aware, of how we allow ourselves to be affected.  We can change the world, but not by reacting to this sort of thing, but by dealing with what can occur as a result, and helping people as much as we can using whatever techniques we have available to us, but always through LOVE.

Sorry, bit of a rave, but I must confess, the idea of someone seeing soldiers who have been victimised, lied to and brainwashed as "Heroes" of any kind, is terrifying.  The true Heroes are the ones who had the courage to desert, and there are many of them, and who said, "No, we will not do this."

That's all Folks.

May 30, 2008 12:48 AM
 

Sage said:

Why are we killing innocent people in Iraq? Bin-Laden was the tarrorest not Saddam. Even if there was a reason to be in iraq, which there is not!! We have allready taken many times over what was taken on 9/11. Why can't america stay in to there own buisness for once. why is it our job to "help?"  

May 30, 2008 1:01 AM
 

Sara said:

As a military spouse whose husband is currently in Iraq i can assure you that they are not needlessly killing innocent people.  The majority of killings are being done by the Iraqi's upon their own people.  It is a religious war that is currently dividing the country.  When the US pulls out it will turn into a civil war with the Sunni's fighting the Shia and hundreds if innocents being killed in the process.  My husbands units mission has been to rebuild the nation providing medical care, hospitals and schools to areas that have nothing.  I have seen the pictures taken by my husband not some media representative who want to portray the war in a certain way.  For those of you who think that our soldiers are brainwashed or following blindly I would suggest you get to know a few of them and understand their true intentions.  I don't support the war, not because I think that our men our doing something wrong, but because I think the Iraq people are being complacent and using the US to fight their battles for them.  Regardless I support our troops, who are willing to go everyday and make the world a better, safer place.  I have a first hand account of what happens there from my husband who speaks regularly with the Iraqi people.  How many news stories does the media tall about lives being touched, communities strengthened and people brought together in Iraq?  It is happening, have you seen it?  Chances are you see sterilized versions with twisted facts presented by a media that is trying to use its influence to change the publics perception.  Apparently by many of the posts it seems to be working.  If we leave now that nation will fall into the hands of impoverished children that will do whatever it takes to survive including acts of terrorism. Should we really leave the country like this? I am not angry over the posts, and I do respect others differences of opinions, but please try to get to know the military and the military community to understand a little more about who is defending you and why.  It is very easy to criticize from your office chair when you aren't the one going out in 60 lb battle rattle in scorching temperatures to make sure that the Iraqi people have water to drink all the while watching out to make sure they haven't planted IUD's and snipers to kill you on the way. Worrying about your family, missing years of your children's lives all to protect a people that doesn't appreciate your sacrifice.

May 30, 2008 1:21 AM
 

PETER CAULTON said:

Hi Gary

Always sad when young people are sent off to fight a rich man's war and all the heartbreak for the families.  Of course a lot of these soldiers are in your army because they cannot get a job anywhere else, not because they are fighting to preserve freedoms, many of which have been taken away by the criminal administration you are suffering under right now in Washington. You have the opportunity to end this madness in November.

 After doing some study of your choices in the upcoming elections in America there appears to be a hero walking among you who is the forth candidate in the race for a presidential nomination. He is still running in every primary but being totally sidelined by your corporate controlled mass media. He just polled 24 percent in the Idaho Republican primary with NO mass media support. This is how strong his message is.  He has already seen off most of the Republican corporate sponsored show ponies after his showing in the Republican Presidential debates on television  His name is  Ron Paul  and if you want to see this war end and have your country returned to the level of respect it once enjoyed worldwide this man looks to be your ONLY hope.  If you are really want a brave, intelligent, common sense true patriot  as your leader, a man with integrity who does't keep changing his position on issues and is free of scandals, take a little time out of your day and type his name into the www.youtube.com  search engine. I think you will like the message of freedom he is putting out. The corporates hate it because his financial support is coming from normal people, not big business, so he is not in their pockets and under control like the other three candidates .  I'm sure he understands that if he looks like winning his life will be in grave danger as America has a history of shooting their brave horses. He deserves your support, financially and morally, just so you can start feeling good about yourselves again and put your country back on course with a decent human being at the helm. This may be your last chance.  His website is www.ronpaul2008.com/

Thanks for the tapping thing Gary and it looks like you have stirred up a real can of worms with this blog.

Good luck to you all over there

Peter Caulton

May 30, 2008 1:42 AM
 

Joseph said:

Yep! that did it a tear rolled down my cheek too. confirmation that we are a brotherhood of life.

May 30, 2008 1:48 AM
 

Gaye Woollard said:

Working with soldiers damaged by the Vietnam war must have moved you greatly Gary.  You will know the damage the soldiers in Iraq will have to heal when they return.  

Treating them as hero's supports the people who sent them out there in the first place.

Would it be possible to ask the EFT international community to tap at a specific time to heal this wound in the Iraqi people?  In America's fear stirred up by the alpha male to gather them around him in support of his government?

Would it be possible to ask the EFT international community to tap at a specific time all as one,  to heal the wound in the human race - living in harmony with nature and each other,  is this not what we yearn for when we are healthy and loved and appreciated?

Is it not in our power now to bring this about?

Everyone tapping at the same time for the same outcome.

Put the call out Gary,  see what happens.

May 30, 2008 2:03 AM
 

Ted said:

Well said Sara.  Even though the war has religious overtones the resources in the gulf are what the war is about.  As it is with most wars the issue is power, control, resources, and borders.  I admire the military for the humanitarian aspect they contribute to.  I respect the people that put thiers lives on the line and protect their fellow soldiers.  

What really excites me these days is the shift taking place in the minds of many people.  When high ranking men decide to be civil with each other as it should be war will become obsolete.    War solves very little except for those that profit from it.  Meanwhile, many hundreds of thousands die, suffer, or lose the people in their lives that are so precious to them.  It all happens because somebody wants something and somebody else is telling them they can't have it by attacking them.  It seems so ridiculus that total strangers  will kill other people because somebody else decided they wanted something worth having somebody else die for.  War is senseless, 911 was a scam, and the media is a tool.  It is time for a peaceful revolution where the choas gets sorted out.    The big egos should be put out to pasture like Kenneth Lay.

May 30, 2008 2:13 AM
 

Dave said:

Too much ignorance here.    

Learn and understand the threat of Jihad.  You will be thankful you are in a community that has the individuals, strength and resolve to protect you.  

May 30, 2008 2:19 AM
 

Carmel Ward said:

Hello Gary,

Whether this be true or a "glurged up" message circulating on email, the sentiment is there.  I'm adding my hug for anyone who is currently Serving, has Served or is family of a Services person.

There is a write up on this at:

www.snopes.com/.../daughter.asp

Hugz

Carmel

Western Australia

May 30, 2008 2:28 AM
 

James said:

I am very heartened to see that real Americans living in an America that is impervious to the suffering in the rest of the world, protected by nuclear weapons and an imperialist economy, are actually 'feeling' with the rest of the suffering world, including their own innocent soldiers and the hapless Iraqi's. We in other parts of the world now know America under George W. as a brutal and arrogant power that will stop at nothing, including mass murder, to achieve its endless materialistic pursuits. The comments in this blog go a long way to changing this perception. Blessings to all gentle Americans!!!

May 30, 2008 2:29 AM
 

Susanne said:

I'm grateful for EFT and am constantly gaining relief and new insights by applying it, but after reading that story, I was momentarily tempted to cancel the newsletter.

Soldiers are trained to kill, it's as simple as that. What they (and society) are fed, intellectually, to make them believe they do it for a valuable purpose is called ideology.

I was very glad to read the controversial comments and find I'm not alone here.

May 30, 2008 2:30 AM
 

sylvia said:

LOVE; PEACE AND HAPPYNESS TO EVERYONE

dear Gary,

Im german, exwife of a american and mother of 6 children. Im 57 jears old an when I look back on my life, I can say, I been searching all my life.

sinse all of my children on there own now, I have plenty of time to fallow up on my curiasity of what there is beyound what I can see, touch, move.

on my way there I came across EFT and to your newsletter.

I practice it and I try my best to 100% to get to the point, where I definitly do create my own reality.

on my way to reading this newsletter Iam sertain about one thing and that I am 100%

what ever I put out through thoughts, words, or action, it do come back to me, just as I put it out.

your airportstory and the coments to it are showing me that the only thing we can do for them is giving them our blessings and the best thoughts we can create. and forther more I believe we should send this out to all the souldiers of the whole world.

aint we ALL one !!

and if there is a way for us human beings to let it all come down to a fact, then it woul be

"BE THE CHANGE YOU WISH TO SEE IN THE WORLD." by Gandhi

I will make sure not to forget to send out my blessings and love to all the souldiers of the world at least ones everyday.

excuse mistakes, my english is not perfect.

May 30, 2008 2:48 AM
 

Lisa said:

Heartwarming story, whether true or not.

As to some of the comments here, well, I am a gentle American who is happy that American soldiers took out a tyrannical leader who gassed entire Kurdish villages, killed families of people who offended him, fed people into industrial shredders, and more.

May 30, 2008 4:00 AM
 

Cindy said:

Yes, a truly touching story. And what a reaction it provoked!

It left me with an overwhelming longing for the time when all humankind, whatever their race or colour, will realise that we ALL have to share this fragile world.

My husband is currently working as a volunteer with the rescue organisations in China and tells a different story to that seen in the world press.

Why does it always seem to take a war, or a disaster, to make people see what really matters?

Let us hope that enlightenment will come before greed, callousness and 'self-defence' destroy our Earth forever.

Thank you Gary for lighting the blue touchpaper on this particular rocket!

All the best.

May 30, 2008 4:01 AM
 

Mary San Diego, CA said:

Even though my feeling of safety in the EFT newsletter has been compromised by the printing of this dangerous politcal drivel.....even though my trust in our EFT newsletter has been compromised by this unverified story....even though the support and joy and inspiration I gain from reading first-person, real-life accounts of EFT miracles is contaminated by the regurgitating of unsigned politically motivated pablum masquerading behind a little girl's natural love, I deeply and completely believe in the process of EFT and the general good of our leader and this otherwise outstanding newsletter......thank you, Gary and thank you wonderful fellow EFTers for your incredible comments and commitment

May 30, 2008 4:05 AM
 

Carol Solomon said:

While we may not agree with the war, we can certainly support our soldiers. There are probably thousands of individual moments like this that go unnoticed and unappreciated. Thanks for the story and the warm feelings that go with it.

May 30, 2008 4:40 AM
 

Gill said:

I feel rather doubtful about the authenticity of the original story circulating anonymously. To me it  sounds suspiciously like propaganda created to arouse patriotic feelings, which it has clearly succeeded in doing.

Asking your god to 'bless our troops'  makes me feel very confused.  Surely, every fighter in the world, American, Iraqi, Hizbollah or Sudanese will be asking his or her god for a blessing, in the certainty that their cause is just.  The perpetrators of 9/11 certainly believed they had god's blessing in their undertaking.   And if you believe there IS only one god, then ipso facto you are all praying to the same deity.

I don't mean to imply that your patriotism is necessarily misplaced, but why do you expect god to bless the USA troops and not bless their opponents in equal measure?

May 30, 2008 4:51 AM
 

Tom in Boston said:

Looking this over, it's instructive to see how often the "War is obsolete" side patted themselves on the back for not typically entertaining anger or hatred just before lighting up their rhetorical flamethrowers that Bush is Satan, America is evil for creating evil wealth, etc. etc.  

"Lord, let me see myself as I truly am."

May 30, 2008 4:55 AM
 

Dr Eva West said:

DO YOU PROUD AMERICANS FEEL ANY DIFFERENT?

A letter from a soldier

You ask me why I went? What is it that tears me from your arms and puts me on a path that leads away from you?  You see that something else is greater and stronger, and causes me to trade my life in tender security for one of constant danger and a totally unknown future. You have overlooked one thing: that I am a man – and a German!

Everything in me fevered to participate in our folk’s great sacrifice? Didn’t you feel that I felt inferior as long as I was not allowed to bear a weapon? That I feared to be an outcast who is not worthy to fight the Führer’s battle? But I am a soldier now and that is and remains the hour of my greatest joy!

And with a voice overcome by emotion – so great was the excitement – I spoke the holy oath. You can never imagine what that hour means to me! My heart wants to explode – it is so full of pride and joy.

I have become a soldier from my own free will and I only had the one great wish to pass the test and prove myself worthy of the honor to serve my country, to accompany it on the path to power and to help to pave this path that has no precedent.

This splendidly magnificent folk should finally stand where it belongs.  German greatness finds recognition in the world.  Germania’s tribes participate in the creation of a new world and being a man receives a new purpose.

For this goal one may not speak or write. For this goal one must fight. For only on the battlefield where the men stand grows something valid, enduring and great. Only from blood-drenched earth rises the seed of rebirth that will plough down the old, decayed and dead in order to bear new life.

That is the reason why I am here and not there with you. Why I shoot and do not speak, why I lie and crawl in Russian dirt.

In my veins flows German blood; in my heart pounds passionately a German heart; and my senses feel and think German! What drove me to go was German yearning, was the faith in my folk that is German to the bone, German and only German, even if a whole world denies and contests it. I see in life and in death the deep, German meaning and willingly give up what I received in the blood of my German ancestors.

Lord, bless this proud, free will. Give me the strength to always and every hour serve it. For the folk’s benefit and piety that I love with every fiber of my being and of my hot heart....

...WE ARE ALL UNDER THE ILLUSION OF BEING SEPARATE. BUT PEACE CAN ONLY BE, WHEN THE WORLD RECOGNISES THAT WE ALL ARE ONE, UNIQUE SPARKS FROM THE SAME GREAT FIRE...

May 30, 2008 5:08 AM
 

Henriette Alban said:

Hi Gary and responders, very powerful this exchange. And just as I was getting ready to add my own piece, this floated into my inbox:

"You are perceptual beings with different vantage points and -- it does not matter how much information is given -- you cannot see beyond the vibrational limits of where you are standing. You cannot live or see or experience outside of your own individual beliefs."

Abraham-Hicks Publications

Excerpted from a workshop in Dallas, TX on Saturday, March 13th, 1999

All Is Well

May 30, 2008 5:15 AM
 

Lynn M-J said:

As a mother of a Canadian serving in Afghanistan, may we all very soon cohabit this world with respect and responsibility for all our fellow beings.  Thank you to those willing to serve and to the families who support them.

May 30, 2008 5:27 AM
 

Jocelyn said:

Certainly the grief and loss and love evoked are truths for all the many soldiers trying to do right by their countries in all the many wars of this pain-wracked world.

May 30, 2008 5:32 AM
 

Kiya Immergluck, IL said:

Dear EFT Community,

Obviously, from the comments, we represent a world of opinions and attitudes that sometimes passionately disagree.  Thank God that we have the freedom to express those opinions without fear of retribution.

I have been opposed to this terrible action in Iraq from the beginning.  I believe that it is part of the propoganda that it is called a "war."  Right now, we are in the middle of their civil wars, and it is my opinion that we don't belong there.

Can you imagine if some other country invaded the United States because they didn't approve of our president, government, or way of life?  How would we behave if we saw soldiers in the streets "protecting" us from our own internal battles?

Would our Civil War of the North against the South been LESS bloody or debilitating if some other country invaded us and tried to fight those battles for us?

The story that Gary sent out was a sweet parable, and it is an important reminder that the brave soldiers who fight in ANY war are not to blame for the craziness that promotes a government to invade a sovereign country that was not a real threat to us in the first place.  How easily we forget that it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that there were NO weapons of mass destruction and absolutely NO connection between Iraq and 9-11.

Strange that ALL of the terroists from 9-11 were from Saudi Arabia, yet there has never been any indication that our government has looked into that country.  (Talk about Bush cronies!)

I am glad that we support our troops.  It was just in the news yesterday that there is a very high rate of suicide among the soldiers returning from Iraq.  No matter how any of us may feel about this terrible situation, I believe that we EFT Practitioners can make a huge difference by helping returning soldiers and their families with this powerful tool.

I don't believe that Iraq will fall apart if we leave.  I remember that South Africa used the excuse that their country would be torn apart if they ever eliminated apartheid.  No one believed that there would be a peaceful transition, and yet there was.

I pray that we get out of Iraq in a careful and timely way, and put our combined energies into surrogate tapping to help heal our wounded planet.

It doesn't matter if you agree with me, or oppose my views.  What matters is that we band together as a community of healers and put our EFT talents towards world peace.

I love what Mother Teresa said.  She refused to go to any "anti-war" marches.  She said that she would attend if she was invited to "PRO-PEACE" demonstrations!

I send you all lots of love and personal peace,

Kiya

May 30, 2008 5:34 AM
 

GB said:

We need to treat the soldiers with respect because they are human beings.  We can separate our individual feelings about the war with our feelings toward fellow human beings.  I was against invading Iraq from the beginning for various reasons.  The main reason being that it would create terrorists, which is exactly what happened.  I thoughly dislike the lies handed to us by the organizers ( I'm talking to you Georgie and *** and the cabal).  However, I knew that once we invaded we would need to stay until we cleaned  up the mess.  I cannot see leaving until the Iraqis can take care of themselves.  It would be a much greater mess if we left now and a huge bloodbath.  One thing the administration has missed (among the many) is that this is not only a military war but a war for the hearts and minds of the people.  Sorely lacking is diplomacy, jobs, infrastructure, food and other necessities.  We can tap and also pray that this thing turns around.

May 30, 2008 6:51 AM
 

Sharon Sale said:

After reading comments posted....I am reminded of the thousands of Iraq people that were given the Freedom from a cruel existance. Our many soldiers bring back to us stories of truth about how grateful the people of this country are for the freedom they now enjoy. War is what it is...whether it is inside us or around us in our world. We are all offered many oppurtunites to lift and seperate the joys and burdens around us. To all those with a heavy heart.....this wonderful example of two giving people lifts the heart. To the discouraged of heart over the story....good idea for all to TAP for our soldiers......WE all have a blessing....choose how you will share yours today....Thank you Gary for the blog.

May 30, 2008 6:52 AM
 

Marrion said:

I would like to say that so many people seem to THINK they know the truth about what is going on and why we are we are in Iraq.  I think Sara and the marine are more in a position to know the truth than any of the others who are obviously of a radical political mentallity.  I don't even pretend to know the truth.  I hear people twist everything into their radical polital beliefs.   I am opposed to violence of any kind.  Saddam Hussein (I'm not sure of the spelling)  was a very viscious cruel person.  We know he had weapons of mass destruction - he had used them more than once.  I don't see the question there.  However, That country is going to live in that kind of situation with a dictator and probably a very cruel one because that is all they know.  IF we pull out, Iran will probably take over while they are in a weakened state and they will be cruel to the Iraqi people beyond belief.  Of course, in times past, Iraq tried to take over their country.  What I'm trying to say, is that all of you people who think you know so much about what is behind this war are just thinking with blinders on.  I don't believe you know the truth and I'm not saying that George Bush II is a good man.  I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS IN HIS HEART AND NEITHER DO YOU.  

As for Maureen who is blaming her father's cruelty to his family on his war experiences is not thinking clearly.  I was raised by an abusive mother - physically and emotionally.  She was never in a war - she was just mean and angry and she took it out on her children.  My point is that Maureen's father was just using that for an excuse to abuse his family.  If he hadn't been that kind of person, he wouldn't have done it.  Many service men who have served in war are very loving toward their loved ones because they love them.  I'm sure being in combat takes it's toll on a person, but there are basic qualities that don't change.  Maureen, just hink this out.  I am so very much opposed to war, but I am 75 years old and I know that people who want to be mean always have things to blame it on.  My mother blamed it on the fact that she had bad children.  It seems strange to me that her children were born bad?????  

Those are my thoughts.  Marrion

May 30, 2008 6:59 AM
 

Cheryl White said:

Kiya said most of what I was going to say - thanks!  I'll only add that I'm not so naiive as to believe that there are not people out there so full of hate that we cannot reach them with love, but I do believe that we can reach MOST of the world with love, and the world will be a better place for our efforts.

-Cheryl

May 30, 2008 7:16 AM
 

brigitte said:

My heart goes out for all that have suffered and are suffering because of this tragic war, wether they are american or not.  We are all human.

May 30, 2008 7:39 AM
 

Jan Loomis said:

There is only one story with variations on a theme. There is only one way to change it, stop the hate and start loving first yourself, then your family--all of them--for each contributed something that makes you as you are--then your neighbor, your friend, your enemy. We have to stand up for love. We have to be who we truly are.  

May 30, 2008 7:42 AM
 

brigitte said:

To create peace with war defies the laws of the universe, only peace will bring peace.  Love your enemy, and wish them well. Replace hate and fear in your heart with peace and love and you will have no need to kill anybody anymore.

May 30, 2008 7:55 AM
 

Bridget said:

Looks like there is a lot of tapping needed here.  Not a one of us know the whole story I wish love to all

May 30, 2008 8:10 AM
 

Dr Christopher Niem Henley said:

Is this a story of war?  Or is it a story of peace, told from the loving words and actions of a child?  What does a child know of war but what we teach them?  How can a child understand being separated from a parent or other loved one?  

A child struggles to comprehend what we tell them when they see what we, as adults, do.

We talk about peace and point the finger at others in expression of our anger at their outrageous words when they speak of what they believe to be true.  Do we not have the right, even the responsibility, to speak our mind?  How else do we learn?  How else do we come to a greater understanding?

We can not say one thing and do another and expect to experience peace, understanding, joy or happiness.

In everything we say, in everything we do, clearly - in every thought we think - we are teaching the Universe.

We will never have any more than the very least we are open to receiving.

But, what do I know?

May 30, 2008 8:20 AM
 

Bart said:

I'm an European so probably I read things in a different way from Americans. In these heartfelt discussions I missed one point: the fact that Gary put this story  on the EFT side does not mean he agrees with all the suppositions in that story, does he? I read it as a story on our human connectedness and the meaning of being interdependent on one another in the middle of a tragedy. So even though my fellows EFTers  seem to equate telling a story with the presuppositions of the characters, we deeply and fully accept ourselves

May 30, 2008 8:47 AM
 

Commonsense said:

This trash doesn't belong on a "healing" site. Or is this?

May 30, 2008 8:50 AM
 

Jim Brown said:

It has been said that peace is just the resting times between wars.  The key is found in that ancient book of wisdom, called the Bible,  where it states very clearly the real resonwhat the battle and issues are:  "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against pricipalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness, against spiritual wickness in high places." (Re: Ephesians 6:12)  And it is further stated elsewhere, 'that for tyrany to exist, requires that good men do do nothing' .  EFT is a form of universal prayer because it is a pettion to heal one. And to heal one, is to heal all others in some way. Because our thoughts and tapping is energy that becomes things and produces a favorable outcome.  Another thought comes to  mind that I saw on a bumbper sticker, and it read," those who can read and will not are no better off than those want to and can not."  Translated, what good does it do you, us,  or the world to know EFT and not use it to heal those wounded in body, mind and spirit, whether it be from war, or others, or self inflicted. One last thought, comes from a Chinese saying, "he who walks through the middle of an open field gets hit from both sides."  So who and what do you choose to serve?  There are only wise and unwise choices with either wise or unwise consequences.  It is your, our choice, so do it while there still is a choice.    Daniel

May 30, 2008 9:01 AM
 

Tom said:

This reminds me of how powerful love is, but it also reminds me of how stingy we are in giving it.  Even to ourselves we give so little: thus the EFT setup which includes the "completely and profoundly" statement.

This is a charming story, and even if it is not true, it shows where our hearts really lie.  So, don't forget that about yourself, and keep in mind that this exists in other also.

May 30, 2008 9:31 AM
 

Veronica said:

War is not the answer.

May 30, 2008 9:41 AM
 

elaine boyle said:

you are completely off the wall. your soldiers, many of whom just joined up because they couldn't afford an education are deployed in a war of greed and imperialism. if arabia had no oil they would never have seen the jackboot of an american oppressor.what americans don't seem to realise is that apart form slavish Britain, the rest of cvilization abhors American foreign policy, the US world dictatorship. I'd like to see the U.S. army kept in the U.S. instead of wreaking death rape and destruction on innocent people. think for yourself, you are so dumb you actually believe the TV.

May 30, 2008 10:00 AM
 

Chris V said:

As a serviceman during the Viet Nam War [and a protester after my service time] I can tell you all something very interesting and very objective. The United states spends more money on propaganda than any country in the world and from some of the comments I have read it seems to be working! If anyone believes that we would be in Iraq if there was no oil there,please excuse yourselves from this conversation. That {OIL} is what this war is and has always been about,nothing more and nothing less.It is a shame that the oil people have put our troops in harms' way and then hike the price of gasoline to $4.50 a gallon but this is just business to them.

At the other end of the specdrom are the guys and gals who end up on the front lines. Most of them are too young to understand what is happening and even if they did, when you're in action, it is not the type of question you're are thinking.

What I find to be deplorable is any person who actually believes that war is the way to peace.It is only a way to profit for the military-industrial complex that became too powerful after WW2. No one was able to stop it after that war and no one has the ability to do so now. If the U.S. had no enemies we would invent them just so their profits would continue.

I suppose it is hard for me to believe to believe that EFt folks could ,in any way,support a war that is so wrong on so  many levels and if I hear that patriotic,American way of life stuff anymore I shall be ill. I wonder how many of you have seen how the rest of the world lives?

Remember this,if there is to be peace it begins within and I thought that this is what the site was all about..........Chris

May 30, 2008 10:55 AM
 

Judith Karen from Sonoma County said:

Whew!  Tap, taptaptaptaptaptap......

I am so surprised I read all these comments.  Something compelled me on...

tapping as I read...

What seemed trivial at first became a powerful discussion -- an open forum.  That dear ones is how we build peace here -- in our hearts and between us, heart to heart.  At first I so wanted someone to speak out about injustice and creating peace by being peaceful.  I wanted someone to speak about the insanity of war and the erroneous idea that violence ever brings peace.  Yet I wanted also respect and honoring for those who march by us all in uniform.  Then it began unfolding -- comments enriched by passionate belief, questions of moral consideration, viewpoints from many vantages -- this is the way to speak with each other.  The respect shown here, tho' opinions vary is what open discourse is about.  

As the comments continued with fervor, candor, compassion and attentiveness, I was encouraged.  What was a cute and likely worked and re-worked parable sure initiated a spirited sharing.  

Let us continue to be in communication and envision a world of aware people building a global community of peace, a community aware of its ultimate inter-relatedness in all ways to each other.  And let us find ways to move beyond our limited views ("our vibrational limits" , ala Abraham), to open to new ways of being here on this planet together...

I wrote this to my son this morning when I forwarded the Abraham quote of the day --

"In the light of this Abraham reading, here is my query for the day...

This then is the dilemma faced by all of us (me n you too) when we are

seeing that our beliefs are in our way of getting beyond where we now

are.  So the question next becomes, "How can I effect my vibrational

limits and impact my limiting beliefs in an expansive way?"

I am looking at the beliefs I hold that are keeping me in a stuck

place.  I believe I am making some progress, however it is so much

slower than I would like.  Then I say, "Is that true?" (end of note to son quote)

Whatever country they represent, whatever army calls for "God's protection and success in the battlefield", whatever families are parted, whatever child cries for her daddy to come home -- we are all one people, one body, one life.

I offer this moment up to myself and to each of you to tap (to dance, to cry, to play, to work, to dream, to breath) for peace each day and to self-examine in a loving way how to expand in love rather than contract in fear.  Love is the way.  Love yourself, love your family, friends, community, land, people everywhere, "love your enemies",  Love, love, love.  Blessed be.

Blessings, Judtih  

May 30, 2008 11:05 AM
 

Martha Gaddini said:

It's amazing to me the hatred that is evident in so many of these anti-war, anti-american, anti-government remarks, attributing the basest possible motives to our country, emotions supposedly generated in the interest of peace.  Hate is hate regardless of whom it is directed at and it contributes to the tragedies of our human existence.  It should be possible to be adamantly opposed to the war in Iraq, or any war, and call it misguided, or a mistake, or wrong judgment without attributing such evil to the motives behind it.  World events are just a reflection of the mass consciousness.  Peace would be better served by all of us trying to cultivate more love, kindness, forgiveness, understanding within ourselves for ourselves, other people, and our interpretation of the events we perceive and the motivations of others.  Blame is an abdication of responsibility and, I believe, an erroneous interpretation of anything.  There will always be war as long as there are enough people like us - you and me - who are not experiencing within ourselves that love and peace that could see nothing else.  

Henriette Alban shared above a quote from Abraham Hicks that came across my desk this morning too.  That's the boat we're all in.  And all we can do - and all we need to do - is cultivate the qualities within us we want to see in "them".  Keep tapping!

May 30, 2008 12:42 PM
 

Regina said:

I'm glad someone else checked Snopes.com, which points out that there are three different versions of this floating around the internet. It is too saccharine to be true.

I am not for this war, but we all seem to forget that the UN inspectors were denied

access by Saddam Hussein, who was warned several times as to the consequences. So Bush & Co. were not the only ones who suspected he may be up to something. The fact that there were no WMD's could mean that he had plenty of time to move them while the UN was wussing out.

I would also like to point out that the US gets the majority of its oil from Canada, so if this were a war for oil,  I imagine it would be costing us a lot less in travel expenses.

That said, I would like this war over, and our soldiers home. I don't think made up "personal accounts" change anyone's feelings about that.

Peace everyone!

May 30, 2008 1:21 PM
 

Lynsey said:

Hello again to the EFt community,

I shared Susanne's reaction to this original posting, and Chris V's feelings about American patriotism made very good sense to me here in New Zealand. Kiya's words also resonated for me.

It's understandable that this very serious issue and all its repercussions bring out strong feelings for Americans, and also for many others all over the world, and expose our limiting beliefs, which of course are not confined to personal stuff. Our world views have their own paradigms depending on a range of factors.

However, our reactions, feelings and beliefs are not who we are. They are transient, and they are tappable. This is the major blessing of Gary's work, and gratitude is the most frequently expressed and appropriate response to that. Now, let's lighten up.

May 30, 2008 3:37 PM
 

Denise Kep said:

"Will you give this to my Daddy?"  www.snopes.com/.../daughter.asp

Gary and staff,  Please always check with snopes.com before passing on any stories that appear too good to be true.  Even tho' snopes has this marked "undetermined" it's pretty clearly fiction, if only because of it's style, it's length and the neat way it wraps up.  Real life is never that symmetrical.   I bet something similar to the beginning happened somewhere and somebody wishes (s)he had said something like what the soldier at the end is credited with but guess what? People (especially stressed people) rarely think of the perfect thing to say... the french have a term for thinking of the great retort 15 minutes later:  "Esprit d'escalier"  meaning Staircase Wit.  Humans tend to mull things over & only come up with the perfect ending as they are already on the way home!!!!

May 30, 2008 3:40 PM
 

Margaret said:

I live in Atlanta.  I actually was catching a flight about l:00 one afternoon and as I entered the atrium, on my way to security, I heard clapping coming from the atrium.  I actually thought the noon news was on and something had been announced (it was during the beginning of the Delta-NWA talks).  As I entered, I saw the soldiers coming down a set of stairs from the upstairs, crossing the atrium and moving down a hall.  The standing ovation was real - and very moving!.  And when they all went out of sight, all returned to the usual.  

I sent this story to afriend of mine (a retired military officer and graduate of a military college).  He wrote me back that the UFO was located upstairs (from wence they came).  

After that the story returned to me - VERY EMBELLISHED (as pointed out by Denise Kep of Snopes.  It was a special moment to me as it happened and to see it embelished and turned into a 'Send this to l0 people .......' was very cheapening of what I saw that really happened.

But - I have to agree with the others stating "Killing is not the answer etc.", even though I believe those serving in the military (and risking their lives) believe the 'party line for freedom and democracy etc.'  I will tap for them.

May 30, 2008 6:02 PM